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Hu Flung Pu	Again, I ask, regarding Donte Smith		Lead	[-]
Posts: 66 01/19/09 3:04 PM	Tags : None to all those smart guys who said I was '100% wrong' about Smith being a wasted scholie and that two games was 'too soon' to declare him a bust, care to chime in yet? Does anyone still think this guy is better than Angelo Johnson? SCLarry, care to contribute here? TV? Wstripes? I hope this illustrates to the sycophants out there the folly of automatically trusting a coach's evaluation instead of your own eyes. Everyone--even coaches--are wrong sometimes and you can't invent things about a player if they are not there. You guys wanted to believe that Smith could play, so you ignored his obvious physical and mental flaws and instead insulted me for making what has turned out to be the correct call.
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namedafterMcKay	Answer	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 102 01/19/09 3:15 PM	I had no part in the discussions but both of them are below average. Angelo might get the nod but both of these kids have no business being in the pac 10. Angelo should be in the big west. Donte should be div 2.
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fanofad	I learned two things from this post...	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 51 01/19/09 3:32 PM	.. that many of us that visit uschopps.com are sycophants and that this poster needs to get a new hobby. I recommend a visit to Burke WIlliams to ease the pain that must exist from patting yourself so rigorously on the back.
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dbmitch01	another thing to learn	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 603 01/19/09 5:22 PM	While the poster has shouted from the mountain tops that he is correct in his evaluation, he has not come up with a short term solution. I don't mean "we need to recruit another point guard". That is for next year and beyond. Tell me what you would do now. You have voiced that we do not have a point guard, but since one will not magically appear before our eyes, what do you think TF should do? My guess is that you will shrug your shoulders and say "we are screwed". That is management potential if I ever heard it. That is why TF is a head coach and you are (and I use this term loosely) a fan.
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trojan fan	Donte Smith	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1642 01/19/09 6:35 PM	Hu Flung Pu, If you had watched Donte in the Say No league you would have said he could play well in the PAC 10 also. Who knows why Donte is struggling so far this season. This is his first season with the team, don't write him off yet. Sometimes it takes a player a year or two to get going. He is going to be with us for two more years, we need him to improve and be and player for USC. Not every players is going to turn out like you hope when you recruit them, it's a hit and miss situation. Ask the question again in two years and we will know more. Beat the huskies!
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The Sleuth		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5667 01/19/09 7:02 PM	Wow someone really wants some attention. How often are you going to post this? You posted it on 1/6 and no one responded. Guess you didn't get any attention show you tried to post it again. Now you get sent to the penalty box. http://uschoopsmessageboard.yuku.com/topic/3867
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jonmaes		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 194 01/19/09 7:52 PM	For the 300th time, Angelo Johnson LEFT US in AUGUST. You can't get another PG in AUGUST. Who's fault is it that he wasn't cutting it in the classroom and afraid of competition? His.
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Manamongstboys		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 120 01/19/09 9:06 PM	Hu Flung Pu wrote: to all those smart guys who said I was '100% wrong' about Smith being a wasted scholie and that two games was 'too soon' to declare him a bust, care to chime in yet? Does anyone still think this guy is better than Angelo Johnson? SCLarry, care to contribute here? TV? Wstripes? I hope this illustrates to the sycophants out there the folly of automatically trusting a coach's evaluation instead of your own eyes. Everyone--even coaches--are wrong sometimes and you can't invent things about a player if they are not there. You guys wanted to believe that Smith could play, so you ignored his obvious physical and mental flaws and instead insulted me for making what has turned out to be the correct call. I'm sorry to say this but Hu Flung pu is correct. Donte is done. Floyd has given him several chances and he has not performed. Thus the reason why he recruited Gerrity at mid-season. Donte won't play this year nor next year, and probably not the the year with franklin here. If i were Donte I'd heavily consider transferring.
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cpenrose10		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 38 01/19/09 9:39 PM	If you were to watch practice like I have many times throughout the year, you would think Donte is a 18 ppg guy. In practice he makes everything and plays very well. I think he is still settling in and afraid to mess up during the game. He will get there. I have faith in Donte and in Coach's evaluation of him. He wasn't the #1 JC point guard for no reason. Donte has shown some good signs in the last 2 games creating for other people and getting the team in their offense. Hopefully he will continue to improve as the Pac 10 conference moves on.
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Manamongstboys	Q for Penrose	#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 120 01/20/09 1:03 AM	I heard Gerrity is doing very well in practice, and that his outside shot has improved. Is it true? If so, do you see Gerrity playing over Smith.
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Hu Flung Pu	Attention? No. But a reply? Yes.	#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 66 01/20/09 2:38 AM	The Sleuth wrote: Wow someone really wants some attention. How often are you going to post this? You posted it on 1/6 and no one responded. Guess you didn't get any attention show you tried to post it again. Now you get sent to the penalty box. http://uschoopsmessageboard.yuku.com/topic/3867 To answer your question, I intended to post this until the people who said I was wrong--and who used rather colorful and spiteful language to do so--admitted that, in fact, they were the ones who were wrong on Smith. This is a message board, no? Heck, you might've used this opportunity to own up to being wrong yourself. But, alas, you also passed up on the opportunity and instead focused on everything but the subject at hand. Hey, it's your board. Why didn't you respond on 1/6? Right. It was an inconvenient truth.
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drusc		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 294 01/20/09 6:38 AM	Chris: Thanks so much for your always reasoned and insightful posts. I find it both amusing and annoying that certain posters, looking at the "black box" of athletic behavior and immediate outcome, instead of engaging in reasoned and flexible, give-and-take dialogue, persist in narrow-minded, self-serving attributions fraught with the most obvious of logical consistencies. You are one of the few here who are in the position of helping us to peer into the black box, and to see possible alternative explanations and long-term outcomes. Fight on!
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OCBaller		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 801 01/20/09 7:19 AM	I'm not Penrose, but I went to practice last week and I thought Gerrity played well. He was making most of his 3's and is better at creating off the dribble than any guard that we have right now. He will be a solid backup for Hackett once he eligible. He is a proven Division 1 player. He did very well as a freshman at Pepperdine.
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cpenrose10		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 38 01/20/09 8:29 AM	Gerrity is playing well in practice. He is great to have right now on the scout team to get D Hack and Dwight use to guarding small, quick guards which they are going to be seeing a lot of the next few games. Gerrity can immitate the type of speed Dentmon, Overton, Thomas, Rochestie, Randel display in the open court. Gerrity also plays very good defense and helps D Hack work on his dribbling and ability to bring the ball up the court against pressure. I like this addition to the team. It is a shame that he will only have the 2nd half of the semester next year.
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bularam		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 53 01/20/09 2:02 PM	At this stage, what't the point of harping over and over on Donte Smith? So it's pretty clear he's not going to help much this year. Maybe he'll develop next year. Some guys need a full year to transition into college basketball. Look how Wilkinson has developed into a servicable pac 10 player. He was out of his league as a freshman and sophomore.
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TVofTroy	How's Larry Fitzgerald doing?	#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2201 01/20/09 2:53 PM	After all, he's a joke with no speed. He couldn't possibly be a good NFL receiver. That's what your eyes said. Your eyes said that Leinart would never be a good QB at SC, and that Booty was better. Then you say that Carroll told you he would be better, and then lecture us here about being a sycophant with a coach. Carroll was wrong, and so were you. But Carroll never said it publicly. You also said that Fargas was a joke compared to McCullough, while Fargas continues a decent NFL career, and McCullough and Kareem Kelly (who have first round talent, but one was drafted on Day 2 and the other not at all) are nowhere to be found. Your eyes told you that Whitney Lewis would be way better than Steve Smith. Your credibility is snake belly low. I never trust a coach's eyes on what goes on. All coaches whiff. I trusted what I saw with my own eyes from summer stuff. And the problem with Donte is that he has not been as aggressive as he was then. I don't know why. But it doesn't look like he will match Angelo's stats, and I will be proven wrong. I don't have a problem with admitting I'm wrong. But I do have a problem with someone who has been repeatedly and consistently wrong over the years gloating about finally being right. It's embarrassing for you. Last Edited By: TVofTroy 01/20/09 2:58 PM. Edited 1 time.
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drusc	Fight on, Ted!	#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 294 01/20/09 4:06 PM	nm
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The Sleuth		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5667 01/20/09 6:54 PM	Whatever you clearly want attention. I've seen Donte play more than anyone on this board besides Chris. I've seen things that led and lead me to believe that if the light comes on during the games he will be a solid addition to the team. If you gauge him strictly on how he has played in games, except for the exhibition game when he had 12 assists, he has been a big disappointment, but I don't feel it is as black as white as that based on what I saw at SC's elite camp, Say No and when he played in JC tournaments I watched. The kid was all set to go to Oklahoma before SC got him, so clearly SC's staff wasn't the only ones who thought he could play for a high major school in an elite conference.
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Hu Flung Pu	blah blah blah, change the subject!	#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 66 01/21/09 3:13 AM	TVofTroy wrote: After all, he's a joke with no speed. He couldn't possibly be a good NFL receiver. That's what your eyes said. Your eyes said that Leinart would never be a good QB at SC, and that Booty was better. Then you say that Carroll told you he would be better, and then lecture us here about being a sycophant with a coach. Carroll was wrong, and so were you. But Carroll never said it publicly. You also said that Fargas was a joke compared to McCullough, while Fargas continues a decent NFL career, and McCullough and Kareem Kelly (who have first round talent, but one was drafted on Day 2 and the other not at all) are nowhere to be found. Your eyes told you that Whitney Lewis would be way better than Steve Smith. Your credibility is snake belly low. I never trust a coach's eyes on what goes on. All coaches whiff. I trusted what I saw with my own eyes from summer stuff. And the problem with Donte is that he has not been as aggressive as he was then. I don't know why. But it doesn't look like he will match Angelo's stats, and I will be proven wrong. I don't have a problem with admitting I'm wrong. But I do have a problem with someone who has been repeatedly and consistently wrong over the years gloating about finally being right. It's embarrassing for you. What a bunch of BS. For someone who thinks I have no credibility, you sure seem to think it important for you to try to remember everything I say. Or at least a distorted version of it. Of course most of what you wrote here is completely inaccurate, but then you are not exactly known for your accuracy. That's why you write 10,000-word stories for free. You were wrong on Smith. And you clearly have a problem with being proven wrong, as your huffy post here illustrates. The man who defended Sark and Kiffin to the death is here to lecture people on being right. How appropriate. Hilarious: Smith just has to be 'more aggressive'. Yeah, that explains things. Brilliant take. Can you explain his lack of athleticism for me, too? At least you finally showed up here to take your lump. I'll give you that.
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Hu Flung Pu	amazing	#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 66 01/21/09 3:19 AM	The Sleuth wrote: Whatever you clearly want attention. I've seen Donte play more than anyone on this board besides Chris. I've seen things that led and lead me to believe that if the light comes on during the games he will be a solid addition to the team. If you gauge him strictly on how he has played in games, except for the exhibition game when he had 12 assists, he has been a big disappointment, but I don't feel it is as black as white as that based on what I saw at SC's elite camp, Say No and when he played in JC tournaments I watched. The kid was all set to go to Oklahoma before SC got him, so clearly SC's staff wasn't the only ones who thought he could play for a high major school in an elite conference. Um, yeah, if I post something and get shouted down for it, I expect someone to then be a man and respond when they are later proven to be wrong. Has nothing to do with attention, but rather principle. It gives me no solace to know that more than one school thought Smith could play. He can't and both schools were wrong. I do not take joy in that and in fact it was an off-hand remark in a larger post that was singled out and used as a reason by others to say I didn't know what I was talking about. Not true, as we have seen. Thanks for the reasoned response. That wasn't so hard was it? Coulda done that when I first posted as such instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks.
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allnetta	donte	#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 140 01/21/09 4:58 PM	i just wanna go on record that if smith stays the whole 3 years he will bw a very good pac 10 player-i think his confidence for whatever reason is shot right now...
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Again, I ask, regarding Donte Smith	01/19/09 3:04 PM	Hu Flung Pu
Answer	01/19/09 3:15 PM	namedafterMcKay
I learned two things from this post...	01/19/09 3:32 PM	fanofad
another thing to learn	01/19/09 5:22 PM	dbmitch01
donte	01/21/09 4:58 PM	allnetta
Donte Smith	01/19/09 6:35 PM	trojan fan
Re: Again, I ask, regarding Donte Smith	01/19/09 7:02 PM	The Sleuth
Attention? No. But a reply? Yes.	01/20/09 2:38 AM	Hu Flung Pu
Re: Again, I ask, regarding Donte Smith	01/20/09 6:54 PM	The Sleuth
amazing	01/21/09 3:19 AM	Hu Flung Pu
Re: Again, I ask, regarding Donte Smith	01/19/09 7:52 PM	jonmaes
Re: Again, I ask, regarding Donte Smith	01/19/09 9:06 PM	Manamongstboys
Re: Again, I ask, regarding Donte Smith	01/19/09 9:39 PM	cpenrose10
Q for Penrose	01/20/09 1:03 AM	Manamongstboys
Re: Again, I ask, regarding Donte Smith	01/20/09 7:19 AM	OCBaller
Re: Again, I ask, regarding Donte Smith	01/20/09 6:38 AM	drusc
Re: Again, I ask, regarding Donte Smith	01/20/09 8:29 AM	cpenrose10
Re: Again, I ask, regarding Donte Smith	01/20/09 2:02 PM	bularam
How's Larry Fitzgerald doing?	01/20/09 2:53 PM	TVofTroy
Fight on, Ted!	01/20/09 4:06 PM	drusc
blah blah blah, change the subject!	01/21/09 3:13 AM	Hu Flung Pu